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Lee Smith

December 14th, 2009 @ 03:49am

In 1982, Lee Smith had his breakout season.

Lee led the ’82 Cubbies, a 73 win team, with 17 saves. In fact, he’d only blown 1 save all year and none after mid-April. That was a result of his fine 2.69 ERA, which was the best among Cubs pitchers that had thrown at least 100 innings. He was also 2nd on the team in strikeouts, 2nd only to future Hall of Famer Fergie Jenkins! Lee was still just 24.

This was a far cry from his ’81 season, when he only earned 1 save and blew 3 other opportunities, en route to a 3.51 ERA.

By the end of his career, he’d lead the league in saves 5 times on his way to amassing 478 saves. No other pitcher would match that career total until 9 years after Lee Smith retired. Two closers have passed him since then, and they’re both probably future Hall of Famers.

Which brings up a question. Should Lee Smith be in Cooperstown? After all, he had a stellar career and led the world in saves for almost a decade after he retired.

To answer this, we need to compare Lee to his peers. By “peers”, I mean pitchers who weren’t starters but pitched in a similar role. This way we can look beyond his beautiful 131 ERA+ which takes into account closers, middle relievers, junk time pitchers, and starters.

We can do this by looking at the ERA of every pitcher with at least 200 saves through 2009 & how they’ve done in save situations. After all, how else can we really put a value on Lee Smith’s 478 saves? Yes, I know you’re a smart manager who doesn’t care about 478 saves but cares about not giving up runs.

So, ERA in Save Situations for pitchers with a minimum 200 career saves through 2009…

  1. 1.87 Mariano Rivera
  2. 1.99 Joe Nathan
  3. 2.16 Hoyt Wilhelm (mostly pre-1969)
  4. 2.39 Sparky Lyle
  5. 2.40 Tom Henke
  6. 2.41 Goose Gossage
  7. 2.48 Billy Wagner
  8. 2.49 Dan Quisenberry
  9. 2.56 Trevor Hoffman
  10. 2.61 Dave Smith
  11. 2.61 Frankie Rodriguez
  12. 2.69 Rollie Fingers
  13. 2.72 Randy Myers
  14. 2.75 Bobby Thigpen
  15. 2.80 John Franco
  16. 2.83 Dennis Eckersley
  17. 2.85 Bruce Sutter
  18. 2.87 Rob Nen
  19. 2.89 Armando Benitez!!!
  20. 2.90 Dave Righetti
  21. 2.94 Lee Smith
  22. 2.94 Doug Jones
  23. 3.02 Gregg Olson
  24. 3.08 John Wetteland
  25. 3.13 Jeff Shaw
  26. 3.14 Ugueth Urbina
  27. 3.16 Jeff Montgomery
  28. 3.17 Bob Wickman
  29. 3.19 Todd Worrell
  30. 3.22 Troy Percival
  31. 3.22 Francisco Cordero
  32. 3.26 Jose Mesa
  33. 3.36 Gene Garber
  34. 3.37 Jeff Reardon
  35. 3.37 Rick Aguilera
  36. 3.37 Rod Beck
  37. 3.38 Jason Isringhausen
  38. 3.49 Roberto Hernandez
  39. 3.78 Todd Jones

Suddenly Lee Smith looks pretty average among his peers, and Hall of Famers are not average or near average at their position. I don’t care how you spin it.

This also exposes the fact that Lee Smith was basically Doug Jones with more save opportunities. Do you think Doug Jones was a Hall of Fame closer? Mmmmm… don’t kid yourself.

This isn’t to say Lee wasn’t good. You don’t end up pitching 18 seasons if you’re not very good. He just wasn’t Hall of Fame good.

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4 Comments Add your own

  1. night owl @ December 14th, 2009; 12:08 pm

    Interesting.

    I’ve leaned toward the side of putting Smith in the Hall, but this makes me stop a bit. I do remember that Smith had a few “average” type seasons.

  2. Subrata Sircar @ December 14th, 2009; 3:35 pm

    Of course, 200 career saves isn’t his “peers”; it’s the elite. This shows Lee Smitha as “average” ERA among the elite, with about three times their opportunities because he pitched at an elite level for so long.

    This might do more to make his case than deny it – being very good for a very long time is a reasonable path to the Hall.

  3. leco @ December 14th, 2009; 11:57 pm

    nice job. He’s a lock for the Hall of Very Good. Relievers/firemen/closers are still an evolving position and as such I’m not sure the Baseball Writers are really sure how to deal with them. I ask of you, time permitting and interest willing, to engage in some revisionist history and tell me what u think about Roy Face and R.Perinowski and the work they did. I’ve always enjoyed delving into figuring out this whole releiver thing, for instance, the Yanks I credit with inventing the 8th inning role initially by audaciously signing Goose with a CY YOUNG winner (Lyle) already in the fold. While Lyle being relegated to the 8th inning role was just merely a consequence of the signing of Goose, Ron Davis was completely by design. Ron Davis was the first designated 8th inning pitcher. That was 30 years ago and before LaRussa. Thanks for your time. u can get me at TripleToRight [at] Yahoo.com Happy Holidays

  4. Devon @ December 15th, 2009; 12:03 am

    night owl, I used to think Lee Smith should be in the Hall, but then I did some research like this to compare him to other closers. After all, I figured he has to be clearly better than his peers in order to be a Hall of Famer. I don’t recall really thinking of him as a big stopper during his career. I just thought of him as one of the better closer but like a 2nd class closer.

    Subrata Sircar, I do see the elite closers as his peers, but there’s just too many non-HOF elite closers that did better in save situations to justify him going to Cooperstown. By the way, Doug Jones pitched for 16 years, almost the same length of career as Lee Smith. It’s just that Lee’s managers gave him more save opp’s than Doug Jones managers did, or maybe his teams had more save opp’s to pitch in.

    leco, I’ll give that a look into, and probably find a way to tie it into a Gossage or Davis card in a few months. Thanks!

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